The Morning Chronicle, Thursday May 11th 1854

THE MORNING CHRONICLE, THURSDAY, MAY 11, 1854. ’ERIAL PARLIAMENT. U S B O F C O M M O N S — W r d n h m a y . so cuet at twelve o’clouk. PRIVATE BUSINESS, ?burgh Improvement Bill was rand a third time. PETITIONS. i were presented by Mr. Milligan, from various Ancient Shepherds in the Bradford district mid crested, from tho various lodges in the Pud- ot and other® interested, from various lodges fowling district and others, and from the diKtrict, against the Friendly Societies Bill ; ad field, from the boiler-makers of Sheffield and ibers of the Prote9taut Association, also from of the Sheffield district of the National Indepen- • of Odd Fellows, prayim* for an amendment of ily Societies Bill ; by Mr. Brotherton, from the of the Manchester district of the ancient order of (8,230 signatures), the member* of St. George's inanity lodge, Captain Trafford ledge, Tanners' d Britannia lodge of Independent Odd Fellows c!es district, against the Friendly Societies B ill; Gore Langton, from the friendly societies of jour- >opers, operative aia^ons, operative carpenters aud xbinet and chair makers, and from the principal thiity-seven friendly societies iu Bristol and the hood, against the Fciemlly Societies B ill; by Mr. •m the commissioners of supply ot the county ness, against the Lord Advocate's Education I from the Free Church cougregation of Olug. and Lyboter, in the same county, in favour of the klr. Digby Seymour, from 196 of the wituesses before the HuU Bribery Commission, play­ house not to sanction the disfranchisement, e petitioners regard as a violation of pub- as well as an act of private injustice; and ysden, in the county of Lancaster, against the Societies Bill ; by Mr. Hamilton, from the parishes y, Tourley, Hornlcy, El wall, an 4 Kirk Langley, bbey, aud Bxrlow, Derby, against the sale of ag drinks on Sunday ; from the clergy and :s of Bath, and of the diocese of Cashel, in in support of scriptural education in Ireland; dnes, from the guardians of the Sunderland union uardians of the parish of Alston, in favour of ublio-houflc> and beer*shoiw on Sunday; by Sir oodman, from the medical practitioners of Leeds, e bill for the registration of the medical profession ; ise, from the Society of United F*ee Gardeners of igainst the Friendly Sooie’ies Bill ; by Mr. Patrick From the inhabitants of Birr, in the Kind's county, e appointment of a committee on conveutual esta- ,s ; by Mr. Leveson Gower, from the members of i Staffordshire order of Foresters, against clausos of ily Societies B ill; by Mr.Sullivau, fromBallyoaskel, ilkenny, against the Nunneries and Mr. Whiteside’s *Ir. Brown, from the boiler makers of Derby, Shelton, tewton-le-Willows, Birkenhead, Liverpool, Burn- rood, St. Helens, Chester, Blackburn, Bury (Lan- Rochdale, Crewe, Stockport, Smethwick, North- eston, Warrington, Manchester, Halford, Wigan, Portsmouth, Brighton, London, fiawarden, Ren- Is, Swindon, Bristol, Bradford, Deptford,Wo!verton, Butterley, Northampton, and Southampton, r.gainst idly Societies B ill; by Mr. Kers1 aw, from the if Stockport, Oheadle. Handforth, Wilmslaw, Hasel- unty of Chester, Stockport district of United Free s, Preston ditto, Mowbray, county of York, ditto, ditto, Rosse and Gilbert ditto, Upton, Derbyshire, litto ; by Mr. W. Wickham, from the members of the dges in tho Horten district and other parties Inte- benefit societies, from lodges in the Wilsey district n the Bradford district, from the Bradford district of Aeners, all in the West Riding of Yorkshire, agaiust dly Societies Bill ; by Mr. Milner Gibson, against d&uses in the Friendly Societies Bill from the 0 Society, Manchester ; stonemasons, 8alford ; ?roe Lodge of O ld Fellow*, Manchester; Vic- dge of Old Fellows, Manchester ; Lancasteriau Society, Fails worth ; Friendly Society public held at the Corn Exchange, Manchester ; and gates appointed by 750 members of burial clubs, . Lancashire, Cheshire, and Yorkshire ; by Mr. H. from the dean rural and clergy of the deanery of ion, in the outdeanery of Cornwall, and the diocesa p, that publio-housea be cloned on Sanday ; by Mr. •u, from the order of Recbabites, Blackburn, against lauses of the bill to regulate friendly societies ; from id United Order of Odd Fellows, Blackburn, to the »ct; by Sir William Smijth, from the pa rah of 1 Prisons, Essex, for closing public-houses on Sun- Mr. Cobbett, frcin the inhabitant* of Oldham, nu- signed, against the Friendly Societies Bill; also > waggon-makers of Manchester, from the Burial > f Chaddertou, the Odd Fellows of Hollins wood, the :ers of Manchester, the Free Gardeners of Saddle- id the Free Gardeners of Oldham district, to the same t Mr. II. G. Liddell, from the inhabitants of Allendale, lorthumberlahd, in favour of closing public-houses ou by Mr. W /J. Fex, from various benefit societies in against Friendly Societies Act; and from parents and of tho children in West Bromwich Sunday-schools, ling the universities to all denominations; by Mr. from the congregation of the district of Christ- I I*. 1 1___ taring districts, than had been created by tho introduction of this bill. There was a general feeling that it dealt hardly with many existing societies. The law with regard to friendly societies was at preseut such a mass of confusion, that he thought it was highly desirable that the select com­ mittee should consider the whole subject. Mr. BROTHERTON also supported the reference to a select committee. 8ir GEORGE G R E Y <*aid that he had no objection to re­ fer the bill to a select committee, but he did not think it was desirable that they should enter upon the investigation of . the whole subject ; for tho house must recollect that there 1 had been several previous committees of inquiry into friendly ; societies, and that they had obtained all the information j upon the subject which could possibly be elicited by a new i inquiry. The only effect of thus extending the labours of the committee would be to defer that legislation which every one admitted to be required. It was the less necessary to do so, because he observed that most of the petitions which had been presented were directed against the 4th and 5th clauses of tho bill. Now lie saw that the honourable member for North Wilts (Mr. Sotheron) proposed to omit the former clause, and very materially to modify the latter. Mr. WILSON PATTEN hoped that the bill alone, and not the whole subject, would be referred to the select committee. Mr. ROEBUCK observed that the bill had in fact now passed from the hands of its original promoters into those of the Government, and he therefore wished to know what were their views with respect to the course which the house should pursue? . j Mr. FITZROY aaid that the honourable and learned mem­ ber was not quite correct in stating that the bill had passed into the hands of Government. The only amendment of which he had giveu notice referred to the 3d clause. He thought that no case had been made out for a chance in tho law upon the point embraced in that clause ; and his amend­ ment consisted simply of a clause taken from the existing act 14 and 15 Vic. c. 15. This bill had do doubt created great uueasiucnS amongst the members of those clubs ; and although the petitions which had been presented abundantly showed that great ignorance prevailed with respect to its provisions, still when there was suon an excited state of feeling on the part of great numbers of the working classes, he thought it was advisahle that satisfactory evidence Bhould be adduced in support of any proposed alterations in the existing liavr. With a view to such an Investigation, he thought it was highly desirable tbat the house should adopt the proposition to refer the whole subject to a select com­ mittee. He was aware that there had been previous com­ mittees and previous legislation on this subject; but the fact was that this had only complicated the subject, and made legislation more difficult. Captain SCOBBLL said that even in the quiet neighbour­ hood lie represented (Bath) the working classes were very much excited on the subject of this bill. He hoped that the house would adopt the proposition of the honourable member for Montrose (Mr, Hume), and refer tho whole subject to a select committee. After a few words from Mr. CH EET H AM , who suggested tbat the select committee should be directed to consolidate the law on this subject, M »*. LIDDELL also bore testimony to the strong feeling which this measure bad excited amongst the labouring classes, and supported tho proposition to refer it to a select committee. Mr. LABOUCHERE said fhat it seemed to be generally admitted that the house w*Q not at present in a position to^ go into committee upon this bill. lie thought that, consP* dering the nature of tho subject, the parties who were in­ terested, and the character of the interests involved, it would be advisable the subject should receive the most mature con­ sideration before they passed a uew act, and he should there­ fore support tho proposition for referring the bill to a select committee. At the same time he hopeu that the committee would not be made the meai*g of delaying that legislation upon the subject which all admitted to be necessary, but that they would strictly car,fine their inquiries to those points upon which sufficient information had not been elicited by former inquiries. Sir J . W ALM8LEY supported the amendment. Mr. ATHERTON said that so many acts had been passed with reference to these societies, that nothing could bo more difficult for a practising lawyer than to tell the members of many of them by what particular act they wore governed, or even whether they were not exposed to the cross-lire of two contradictory acts. Under these oircumstauces, it was abso­ lutely nocessary thnt the law on this subject should bo con­ solidated ; and os he believed that this could not be done without further information than was in the possession of the house, he hoped that the whole bubject would be referred to a select committee. Mr. HENLEY said that, after what had fallen from the honourable and learned member for Durham (Mr. Atherton) —the correctness of whose statements he was not at all pre­ pared to deny—it was perfectly cleer that this subject was one which should be taken up by Government. A pri­ vate member might introduce a bill^ to provide a remedy for an existing evil; but it was perfectly impossible that he could undertake to consolidate a multiplicity of previously existing statutos, and to prepare one which should embrace the whole law on the subject. It would bo quite impossible to bring in a bill to consolidate all the statutes on this subject during the present session. The question, then, was—was information wanted on this subject? He very much inclined to think that there were very few cases which did uot come within one or other of the categories respecting which evidence was taken several sessions a«o. It was at his honourable friend’s discretion claimed haring any facts at all [a laugh, and 4t no, no/'from Lord Palmerston], Would the noble lord admit that? Viscount PALMERSTON No [hear, hear]. Mr. COBDEN : Then I suppose it would be unparlia­ mentary in me to say tbat I think tho noble lord is trifling with the house in the course he now pursues. Viscount PALMERSTON : I do uot admit that [hear, and a laugh]. ' - w Mr. COBDEN was sorry to see anything like a jocular spirit manifested on this point [oh. ohj, and must remark that he thought the noble lord had been particularly unfor­ tunate iu his attempts at jocularity. This was no laughing matter. He said that to countenance suoh suspicions as had prevailed in reference to this .subject was to throw a slur on the character of the working classes, and if it were a stigma on their character, it malt oe a roproach to tho whole nation. Were they to have foreign newspapers casting in the teeth of Englishmen that they were obliged to pass laws to prevent pareats from murdering their children for the sake of £3 ? They had heard of the practice of destroy­ ing children as prevailing in India, and amongst our friends the Turks too, but iu no country or people, however bar­ barous, had it been customary to murder children on such grounds a3 were imputed in tho present case, and nowhere had it been found necessary to pass a law to prevent parents from murdering their children under ten years of age, in order to obtain a few shillings or pounds. Viscount PALMERSTON : The hon. member means to impute to me that I treated this subject with jocularity* I appeal to tho house if anything I said could in the slightest degree bear out so unfounded an accusation [cheer*]. I said, on the contrary, that it was with the g re a tent puiti I ap­ proached it [cheers], and if the house laughed when the hon. member was endeavouring to impute to me, time after time, the very reverse of what I had stated, all I said was to deuy that his interpretation of my words was well founded. The honourable member put words into my mouth which I had never ua*d ; I was obliged to say I had not uaed them, and the house only laughed at the various attempts of the honourable member to fasteu on me languago which I eu- tirely repudiate [cheers]. Mr. CROSSLKY only rose to say that, having received various deputations during the recess on the subject of frieudly societies, he had some acquaintance with tlie feel­ ings prevaleut among the working classes oil this subject. There could be no doubt that some imposture had been practised upon these societies in the matter adverted to by the noble lord, and the working classes, he had no doubt, would be glad to have any provision inserted In t U e bill which might render the commission of such offences impos­ sible in future. Mr. SOTHERON need scarcely say, in referenda to the suggestion made, that he was in the bands of the he ami should be ready to acquiesce in what seemed the g. neral feeling of the house, not to press forward the bill <»u the pre­ sent occasion, but to refer it to a select committee. The principal point on which the discussion had turned was one of a character which lie thought would be much h Uf r dis­ cussed in a select committee than in the house. It might be that the Government had evidence enough regarding the suspicions of which they had heard much, as to infanticide being extensively practised by members of buiial societies ; but although a g<cat deal of evidence bad been taken by the committee which sat in 1849 respecting burial societies generally, yet he was sure there was no such impression abroad generally, and that there was nothing in the puVlic mind which in any way corresponded with what lie believed to be the impreshiou in tho mind of the Governnitnt. If there were indeed facts which would be adduced lo auhilan- tiate such a horrible suspicion, if more than a pro­ portionate number of persons guilty of this dreadful crime could be found amongst members of burial eluhaor friendly societies, then let the evidence to that e(T»ct be brought forward, and let a committee of the house be armed with the full powers necessary to elicit the facts. One fact that occurred to him in connection with the subject was, that at the assizes of last autumn, in Liverpool, tho grand jury made a presentment c ill;ng the attention of the court to the increase of this horrible crime, and the pre­ siding judge thanked them for their presentment, giving an opinion that some further legislation was required ; hut the very day afterwards a person who was charged with the crime was tried and found innocent. If they were force I to tho conclusion that a disposition to this crime was lo some ex­ tent fostered by friendly societies, then no doubt lo. illation would be required ;but the question remained beh n I—what was tho best mode of doaling with the subject? Persona join­ ing friendly societies were the most provident and industrious of the working classes, aud the real reason which induced poor men to join burial clubs was that they might themself rs have it in their power to defray the charges of funerals In Iheir house­ holds, iustead of leaving them to the poor-law officers [hour]. Was that not a sentiment which should be encouraged in the minds of worthy and industrious persons of tho working classes? What made legislation on this subject urgently re- 3 uisite was, that it was apprehended that all societies of this e.scription not registered were at present acting illegally, and liable to penalties under the Joint Stock Compamea Act. It was a peculiar feature of the case that regulations benefiting one society were found totally inapplicable or even adverse to the interests of another, and thus the difficult? of doatiug with it was materially enhanced. Another difficulty a as that they were dealing with purely voluutary associations, and the very moment they put ou the screw in the direction that Parliament thought desirable, the associatiow would at once be dissolved. If they were to deal with the subject effectively, they must carry along with them the public opinion of the community. An honourable and learned -----4 1_________ t______1 __________ ____ 1 _ .1--» i k * ---- ---f _________ i:.i _ , *ow called on t* affirm an important principle, namely, i that persons coming there to discharge a public duty, as representatives of the peonlo, were not to be put to any ex­ pense for that purpose. With respect to the suggestion just made for po«tponiug the second reading, he could not see what connection there was between the subject under con­ sideration by the committee upstairs and the present bill. That committee were not sitting thero t© decide any ques­ tion of principle, but how a principle affirmed by the house was to be carried out. He £ave his cordial support to the measure of his honourable friend (Mr. Ilurae). At present they had persous coming forward at elections as candidates who had not the support of any great portion of the consti­ tuency [hear, hear]. Tiioy appeared on the hustings and delivered their sentiments, which they found were not re-echoed, except iu* great part by that portion of the constituency who had no votes; a«d then they were checked from going to the poll by the circumstance that they would have to pay a consider­ able amount of expense [hear, hear]. lie thought, however, it would be desirable to introduce a clause of this kind into the bill—that if a person put himself forward as a can­ didate, put the constituency to expense, he should pay his proportion of the expenses in the event of his not having the support of a given number of the electors. He moved last yoar for a return by the different returning officers and sheriffs of the suras the3r charged candidates at elections, and that return disclosed a system of extortion to which it was high time the house should put a stop. He knew in one borough that ho much as £25 had been charged a candidate by a returning officcr as his fee—a sum which he (Mr. Phinn) had not the slightest hesitation in saying was per- fectly illegal. He knew also th*t in the county in which the horough he represented was situate a charge had been made to the candidates for the payment of special consta­ bles employed in keeping the peace, which was a most improper and illegal charge, seeing that the sheriff was bound to preserve the peace of the county. There had long been a feeling out of doors, but which he was glad to see was diminishing every day, that persons presenting themselves for election to tbat house were soliciting for some great tangibie good to themselves. He thought the sooner the public mind was disabused on that point the better. Mr. DEEDES said he was one of those who were anxious to s*e the expenses at elections reduced, so far as it could possibly bo done ; but he thought there was a great deal that was objectionable iu the present hill, and he doubted whether, as a matter of principle, it could be altered iu com­ mittee. He would aucgest to tue honourable member for Montrose that it should be read a second time, on the under­ standing that it should go before the committee now aiding up-stairs on a similar subject, for tho purpose of having taken out of it sueh portions as they might think worthy the consideration of the house. Mr. HUM E said he did not know when the committee up­ stairs would be likely to mako their report to the house. Mr. W. M ILES said, as an old county member, it was his conviction that this bill, instead of reducing the expenses of bona fide candidates at elections, would add to them very cousideiably, inasmuch as its tendency would be to increase the number of sham candidates. At pre«ent £40 was about the expense to w rhich eaoh candidate nt a county election was put foe hustings and polling booths, and he thought the bill W8i perfectly uncalled for. Sir GILBERT HBATHCOTE wished to add his testimony to that of the honourable gentleman who had just spokon. He had had great experience at county elections, aud hi* opinion was that this bill, so far from diminishing the ex­ penses at elections, would greatly increase them. Its ten­ dency would be to induce parties to present themselves as candidates at elections on very light grounds, and the conse­ quence would be that there would be an infinitely greater number of contests than at present. Mr. HEN LEY said he *us desirous of seeing the expenses at elections reduced, but ho believed the effect of the bill would be absolutely to impose a fine of from £300 to £500 at least on every county member, ac­ cording to the si*9 of the county he stood for. There were few persons who had stood on a public hustings at an election that did not know that individuals presented themselves, and were proposed » » s candidates, who had no intention whatever of going to a poll, and only for the purpose of making a speech on some popular subject. What would happen if the sheriff had not some guarantee th*t some person or other should be answerable for tho necessary expenses? After tho show o T hands, he would be obliged !o put in operation the whole of the expensive apparatus for taking a poll in every polling place in his county, though thero was not a human being in the constituency that did not know, that, bo far as one of the candidates was concerned, the whole thing was a sham fight from beginning lo end. That Wua tho ayat^ra which this bill would encourage. Again, it a t as suggested that the hustings expenses at elec­ tions should bo thrown nvion the poor-rates. Ho thought no­ thing could be more objectionable or unjust than that [hear). Ho did not believe the country could have a better safeguard against the pretensions offlham candidates than wns afforded by the existing system, and he hoped the bill which proposed to disturb it would not be kept alive. Mr. COBDEN thought the mode of meeting the evil of sham elections had been suggested by the honourable i*nd learned member for Bath. He (Mr. Cobden) was of opinion that it would be easy to frame a clause which would meet the cane put by the right honourable gentleman (Mr. Henley), Let it be provided that in case a candidate should not poll one-tenth or one twentieth part of the constituency, or some other proportion, he should pay his own quota of the expenses, which were nowr paid by all the candidates, ....rl Atw l umntfl ha nnt trt ahftm /inntPfttsi. H a Mr. W ILLIAM S supported the motion for the second reading. Mr. Il:ime was about to reply, when he was called to order by the Speaker, th e s e s of the house not permitting a reply in the case of tho mover of tho resolutioa when uo amend­ ment bad been nroposed. Mr. SPOONER therefore moved that the bill be read a second time tbat day six mouths, and Mr. HUM E proceeded to reply to tho objections which had been made against the principle aud proposal of his bill. The house afterwards divided, wheu there appeared for the amendment— Ayes ............. 154 Noes ..... 4.............. s. .., 57 Majority 9i The bill was accordingly lost. M EDICAL PRACTITIONERS (No. 2) BILL. Mr. BRADY presented a large number of petitions from various parts of the kingdom in favour of this bill. The hon. member then moved that the house should go into committee en the bill. On the motion being put, Mr. CRAUFURD moved as an amendraeut that the house should go into committee on the bill that day six months. His opposition to the bill wus founded on the fact that it was defective in principle, and, instoad of being progressive, was retrogressive. It was iujunous not only to the medical practitioner, but to the public at large, aud without amend­ ing the Uw, which it proposed to do, it would only confirm the existing anomalies, and increase the difficulties of the present state of the law. All that the bill really proposed to do was to create three new places and give increased pa­ tronage to the Government. The medical profession in Scot­ land was decidedly opposed to tho bill, and he believed that the Lord Advocate had also expressed opinions decidodly unfavourable to its further progress. Mr. W ARN ER seconded the amendment. Colonel DUNNE supported the motion for going into com­ mittee. The bill met with the geuerat approval of the medi­ cal profession iu Ireland, although in that country he was bound to say its provisions were less required than in England [hear, hear, and laughter]. In Irelaud the medical profession occupied a high position, but he would much rather place himself in the hottest part of an action thau place his life in the hands of those licensed to murder in this country [laugh­ ter]. He trusted, therefore, that the house would not agree to the amendment. Mr. PHINN hoped the house would conseut to go into committee on the bill, the whole object of which was really to give the public tho means of ascertaining whether persons practising as members of the medical profession had re­ ceived the necessary amount of education which such per­ sons ought to be supposed to possciB. At present the pub­ lic were victimized to a serious extent by quacks, and this bill, if passed, would tend in some degree to put an end to that disgraceful and injurious state of things. lie admitted that there were several points in the bill wbich might be made the subject of discussion and of amendment in com­ mittee ; but while ho thought the measure was eue that ought to receive the assent of the house in its main princi­ ples, he should regret if it were considered to be a final set­ tlement of this question. Some arrangement for the regu­ lation of the medical profession, of a much more compre­ hensive and important character, was imperatively re­ quired ; but the bill before the house was at all events a step in the right direction, and, therefore, he should give it his support. Mr. H EN LEY said he had aoine difficulty in discovering what really was the principle of the bill. He did not think its only intention was to make a list of doctors qualified ac­ cording to law; ho rather expected, from the way in which the concluding clauses and the schedules were framed, tbat It was intended to give some discretion to the parties charged with the registration as to whom they were to put into the list. In fact the bill appeared to him to be an attempt to set up a very extensive machinery to tax every doctor in the country, and to put upon Government the not very enviable task of selecting three doctors to bo the objects of the ani­ madversion of t/ie w hole profession [hear, hearj. Mr. LASLETT supported the amendment. Mr. D IG BY SEYM OUR approved the principle of the bill, but thought there were several amendments which might be judiciously made in committee. The object of the measure was not to create any new (lualification, or to disqualify any person who was already qualified by law, but to euable the public to ascertain who had aud who had not received a proper professional education. Lord PALMERSTON said he rose to perform that ungra­ cious duty which the honourable and learned member for Bath had said he was sometimes in the habit of discharging ; hut he did not know that he could quite concur with the honourable and learned gentleman in thinking this bill one of the innocents; on the contrary, he was inclined to think that, if it were to have any effect at all, it would be rather mischievous thau innocent. But he must beg, in th* first place, to defend the medical pro­ fession of England from tho charges and imputations brought against them by the honourable and gallant member for Portarliugton. He was happy to think that that misappre­ hension on his part as to the merits nnd qualifications of the English medical practitioners must have arisen from a cir­ cumstance in which they all of them must greatly rejoice, namely, the enjoyment by the honourable and g.nllant mem­ ber of the most perfect health [a laugh]. If the honour­ able and gallant gentloman had been visited by auy of thoae constitutional maladies which sometimes af­ flicted members of that house, and prevented them from attending to the discharge of their legislative duties, V * a liHil uniirvl.t m l t»» in 1 .nn nr liei! fln/l fn flica larger duty, inasmuch aa the article they pro­ duced did not yield the same. amount of saccharine matter, and consequently of refined sugar, as that produced by the other parties. Now, he readily as­ sented to that statement; but the question was, how lo re­ medy the evil. The Government had been strongly urged to allow* refining in bond ; but there woro so many objections to that system, tbat the Government had resolved not to adopt it, at least iu the meantime. They hud determined, in the first place, to attempt to equalise tho duties up >u a different plan. At the present moment there were three scales of duties applicable to colonial sugars—the first, 10s. ncr cwt.; the second, 11s. 8d. ; and the third, 13s. 4d. With regard to foreign sugars, the act of 1S43 provided tor four scales. There was a scale, in the first place, for a quality below brown clayed; becondly, a scale for a quality equal to brown clayed; thirdly, a scale for white-clayed ; and fourthly, a scale for refined. The duty on the lowest qualities of foreign sugar had never been ap­ plicable to colonial sugars; ar.d what they proposed was to attach a duty of 12s. per cwt, to the great bulk of yellow aud tho best quality of brown colonial sugars, and a duty of lls . to the lowest qualities, thus making a distinction which had uot hitherto been mtide. By that means they hoped to remedy the evil of whicft complaint was made. Upon the consideration of protect­ ing the revenue, aud making a fair appovtiouraeut of duty to the amount of saccharine matter contained, it was intended to modify the standard of white-clayed sugars [hear, hear]. With regard lo the lowest scale (which would be charged with lls. duty), or sugars of a standard not equal to brown clayed, it was a very low standard, and therefore admitted only a very small quantity—last year, he believed, only 9,000 out of 390,000 tons consumed. The Government pro­ posed to raise that staudard considerably, so as to let in a considerable portion of West India sugars not let in by the preseut standard. The chief object of tho alterations would be to modify the standard iu such a way that each quality might pay duty in proportion to the real quantity of saccha­ rine matter contained. Mr. GREGSON was understood to express an opinion in favour of one uniform duty on all clashes of sugar. Mr. DUNLOP trusted the Government would, in the event of the differential rates of duty, according to qualityv being carried, also consider whether differential drawbacks could not be allowed [hear, hear]. With respect to the words in the resolution, (i from and after the 8th day of May," he objected to giving it a retrospective operation. On Tuesday night they had passed a resolution in which 15 per cent, was added to the duties on sugar, and nothing was said about molasses. The resolution now proposed, therefore, became necessary ; but according to all precedent, which it would be unwise for the sake of two days to disturb, iucreased duties took effect from the date when the resolutions were passed. Mr. HUM E was not aware, until now, that the omission of mo1 asses had taken place, but lie remembered a similar omission with respect to the timber duties for one day, and all transactions in tho particular class of timber omitted for that day were free of duty. He did not believe it possible they could pass a resolution on the 10th to come into opera­ tion on the 8th. Supposing individuals, knowing of the omission, had in the two days purchased molaases, they were not to be fined in the duties for the negligence of a Govern­ ment department. He therefore objected to the 8th standing in the resolution. Mr. W ILSON did not think it was absolutely necosvsary to propose this separate and distinct re.^dutiou in order to in­ clude molasses, because the resolution passed the other night declared that certain additional duties should be levied on sugar, and in every act for regulating the duty on sugar molasses were treated as sugar. The Commissioners of Cus­ toms held themselves justified by the terms of the resolution of Tuesday night in including the duty of molasses in that of sagar, but that there might be no dispute he proposed this resolution. Had that not been the case he should have yielded immediately to the suggestion made, but as molasses had always beeu treated as sugar, and as th« Commissioners of Customs considered molasses a description of sugar, he thought the house would feel no difficulty in passing the re­ solution in the form proposed. Mr. HEN LEY said .the real question wag, not what was the opinion of the Commissioners of Customs, but whether without this resolution they could introduce into the act of Parliament power to levy duty on molasses. There could be no doubt it was understood the 15 per cent, was applicable to all kinds of sugar and to molassea, and if the power of levy­ ing it on molasses could be introduced iuto the act of Parlia­ ment there could bo no difficulty. Mr. W ILSON Baid there could be no doubt about that. The Commissioners ef Customs had been already advised that they could collect the duties, aud had collected them. Mr. HEN LEY was very glad the Government had under­ taken to modify the scale, but thought it was very desirable full notico should be given as to the mode in which they would modify it, because it was a matter of importance to parties interested that the house should not be called on to come to any hasty decision. He was one of those who re­ garded the modification of the scale as a tardy act of justice to a certain proportion of sugar producers, on whose pro­ duce there had been a seeming, and not a real, differential duty. Mr. W ILSON admitted the question as to drawbacks was an essential one. Hitherto export drawbacks had been al­ lowed to two qualities of sugar—highly refined sugar, or loaf su^ar, and the common brown sagar, the residue of the re­ fining. But a practice had risen up in the trade of manufac- turing various qualities—crushing sugars—and selling then) in their manufactured state. It was suggested that, al-
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