The Morning Chronicle, May 12th 1854

THE MORNING CHRONICLE. FRIDAY, MAY 12. 1851 ) tlitirpriesthood i. b , M b ' * o , » * ' » « * ' |» » ; « . »lT o .l.» J.o o d lw h - U .M il- .te r w w g s y a ? S ’ h U J . BUI; f latiy. Next to the employment of a Urge miwsionajy bi u lore* would be the estnblmhinent of an orRamsea bo.i> of T o r ullage nun >f clergy HUUJU I/C tliv _______ __ the laity, voluntarily working under the clergy in their re- Motive districts. I cannot refrain from mentioning the case «f a great friend of mine, who proceed?* on this principle. Ho livided his parish into eight districts : these districts are l» ae-d under bodies of the laity, and visited by them ; they Ml meat at the beginning of the week, and a regular mia- tionary work is *r:V.xraOn, anu »U«» most wonderful success h,.«r Next to voluntary organisation comes increased thorcb accommodation. I do not say al ways increase the I*umber of churches, becan.se I think wheu we have to act • {•oust such u mass of irreligion r.s that hy which we are Miiiiiunded, we ought in the first plt.ee to make better use of I ho churches already in existence. I believe much might bo June in our cathedral towns by periodical preachings in the tathedrals, if a sufficient staff of clergy could be pro­ file d . But what is the case at present with respect l a tiie churches in our towns? Most of them are used merely for morning, afternoon, and evening service. In many of the ohurchesservicea might take place at hours more suitable to the working man than the hours at present fixed. This Q jr stern is actcd upon in the Roman Catholic places of wor- ablp. In some of the churches abroad the service of the j Church of England is performed at one hour, some other Protestant service at another hour, and at another comes ! the Roman Catholic service. I have mentioned the points which appear to me to b-j tho most important. I believe there are imao* hy which the Church of England might i provide a remedy for the evils complained of. For the want of sonae practical plan we go on talking year after ! y<**r and doing nothing; but 1 believe that by issuing of a j same etlect ; b — u.. . of tlm siiiji»euti«n whioh I ( Bishop’s YValth selburgh, that the Education Bill be amended ; minister, i witnesses with the strictness that was desirable, without ex- * K K CT U ltl Vtr r ir if t L U elder« and congregation of the parish of Fathead, in favour posing himself to the imputation ef being a partisan of the Mr. PORTAL presented a petition from of the’ Education B ill: from the general meeting of cotumis- accused party. To avoid that, he hoped thut the house of Fyfield, in Hampshire, complaining of sioners of supply for the county of Dumfries, against the would appoint another member iu addition In Mr. Moore, which the patron ace of the rectory of that p ,- - .1 A M il while ho nerfectlv recognised the fndin,.s which in tke gift of the Lor 1 ( kat cellor, had been lately disposed * * ^ ¦ • - • *• •* i Valuation O T r S c o t W T by Mr. W ilU a ^ from th . iu habitants of Camminlllaa. for cIobii.k public houMB on Hun day • from the Methodists in the parish of Ge*ithiar from the inhabitants of Stythians, Wesleyan Methodi.W of RECTORY OP FYFIELD. the inhabitants the mauner in which the Yatroliage of the rectory of that parish, which was uu ^ v«> w » | . _ ^ ___ _ uniform measure for rating clues of mines to the poor ; oy General Arbuthnott, against the Education Bill (Scotland), from the commissioners of supply of the county of Kincar­ dine, the schoolmasters of the Presbytery of Vardown, the inhabitants of the parish of KiKencairu, and several other places ; in favour of the measure, from the Free Churoh * • --- Q AQA VIIU III WM7M> _ _ _ __ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ of Banchory ; hy Mr. Alexander Uastie, from 8,630 inhabitants of the city of Glasgow, praying that the Educational Bill for Scotland be amended ; from the pres­ bytery of the Free Church of Scotland, ia favour of the Scotch Education B ill; from the members of the Frco Church of Carnwoith and the inhabitants of ditto, to the •amo effect; by Mr. Bnrroughcs, fnom Aylsham and Loddon, and other places in Norfolk, for closing public houses ou Sunday; by Lord 8helburue, from Caine uud neigh­ bouring parishes, for closing public houses an Sunday: by Mr. Whitbread, from Bedford, for the admission of all classes to the universities without distinction of creed ; by Mr. Ikathcote, from the congregation of the Methodist New Connection worshipping at Boston, against the sale of intoxi­ cating drinks ou Sunday ; by .Mr, Moffrtt, from Ashbniton, in favour of tho Stannaries Bill ; and from London, to the same effect ; by Lord Henry Cholmondeley, from Soberton, ~ e nn Run- from ______________ nt that the house wan unanimously of opinion that the honourable m c m W for Mayo (Mr. Moore) should be on the corn- » inittee, though without tho power of voting ; and also that ; the general sentiment of the bouse was favourable to the appointment of a nominee member on the pari of Govern­ ment fhcar, hear]. His honourable friend ( Mr. Peel) had said that so far as the feelings of the Dukoof Newcastle were . concerned, it would be more agreeable to him not to he re- »joyed, a presented upon the committee. Ho (the Chancellor of the i point a Exchequer), however, wished to statio n tho part of hi* j Ch mcellor them -- - ‘ % III — > ¦ . S »>l-t • - . was found to bo very much m debt. lie trusted the noble lord the member foi Lmdun and the Under-Secretary for the Colonies would he * * > !« # to afford sotuo explanation of the circumi’anees of thi* very odd t'tee. Lord J . R l’SSLLL sat I he ha 1 applied to the Lord Chan­ cellor on this *ut set, and m l had a communication from him, slating that to tl o u nth ot Dercmber last he was applied to by I ha IX i M i. lUvUr, stating that, having a numerous fan i'y. an i-1 • m en in the colonics had been , proposed to htw, c < a hotter income than he theu en­ joyed, and asking oilier ths Lord Chaucellor would ap- i;« it(lera«H it ¦ ¦ ^ a _ A | lltl ’ r ieetory in his stead. The Lord *oi< < the Bishop of Winchester to at.vrounded Thear, hear]. Tho Bishop of O X F O R D : My lords, I trust the noble rail who proposed to lay the resolution on your lordships' I «I* 1 < will acquiesce in tho suggestion which has been made the noble earl at the bead of the Government, and let the ftiouse pass to tho previous question [he.ir, hear]. I say this n&t hecaqse I differ at all from that noble earl in his estimate of die great lack of spiritual provision for the people of this land, nor because I differ from him in his estimate of the giuat importance to us, as a nation, of providing a Christian means of education, but because I tor one am convinced i at such a resolution as that whieh he has proposed to lay ou tho table does really point tlie minds of men to the wrong quarter to which to look for relief [hear, hearj. I am convinced, my lords, that we cannot, in the present state of the population of this country, with propriety or with ad­ vantage, a«*k for granta from the public funds for the strength­ ening aud enlargement and development of the Church of Knfland [hear]. Although I admit the force of the obser­ vation of the noble earl at the head of the Government, I am r nfident that a large majority of the population belong to the Church of England : and I would have3our lordships to vemember this fact, that even the census returns show Sl at whilst 2.300,000 persons attended the churches of the Church of England on a particular day, the largest attend* anco of'the largest denomination, and that a very promis­ cuous one, was only 515,000 [hear, hear]. I believe the <• 1 -us leturns to be most singularly inaccurate in this re- ai*ct, and 1 should bo thankful if the Government would a. i.w us to test them by laying before Parliament, not the f ‘ *». Mai resultsdrawu up iu the Re^iatrar-Gcneral'H ortice, ju*. the details of the returns from different districts from % 1 ch tho general returns were made, because I have myself f« on 1 very singular inaccuracies with reaped to parts o! the •*>uutry with which I am best acquainted. But with every a ;1 wnhce for tho errors to which 1 allude, I say that the 1 tiun of the Church of England— although she is, thank I, the Cl'.urch of the overwhelming majority as of this country—is one which could not in mind justify her in applying to Parliament for the means of extension by grants from Parliament [hear, W « ® r|. And if the Government were prepared to propose so ii a plan I should ileprecato its n ception on the part of th» t'hnrcb [hear, hear). What we want is iocreased liberty adapt ourselves to the pressing necessities of the people. I believe we cau only ask for that liberty by showing that • • am deserving of it. I believe we could only get in- e '»*•' ! grants from Parliament by the diminution of our ik«rM oi*hi liberty. I believe that such grants would stir up tuwaids tiie Church whioh now happily slumber, and t iat they would check that flow of voluntary aid to • hveh henohlo earl has called your lordships* attention in aw e ti a «triking army of figure* (I.oar, hear]. Whilst, when ti.r »w rument granted jC3,0(K),000 for building churches, • •r.-t»l.I but raise £1,990,000 with all the voluntary assistance •• K ;and, wo havo raised, within a short period, a much urn from voluntary gifts [hear, hear]. 1 consider the e**'Viog out of tho resolution of the noble earl would be a I ».i • ittion of our liberty and our ii flueuce «n the land, and I be aorry to see the hopes or expectations of any • * i •h'sirt to make the Church ef England more efficient I > < *.«.I fr un tIion*) internal exertions which, with God’s I • — »*f. I h lisve may suffice for her work, into a dangerous *•» I I aparalydng source— namely, by a public grant U a t!>« puhllo monaya of thisland. ri.e It • hop of KT. D A V ID ’S, whose remarks were very In* 1 ••tinetly heard, was understood to say that the noble earl who h «d hitroducH'd the subject had fallen into an anachron- latn, e\trndlng at least over an interval or 20Q years, and had eonfouodtd a ftical neglect with a remote Ciiuse. It had not b* • n committed in our day, but 300 years ago, at the origin 0' il.no* disendow which were manifestly nt this day too - • • .1 honourable frieud tli.«t he did not d m ir. to Iw lil upon thin iuquire into U». of .Mr. Steadman who was »ro- in opposition to the wibh of thehou-o; and if it » » j tho pi.scd to m»cv.« .1 Hi- .-r. I'tia BimIjoii’or Wiuchwtter Reneral opinion that a nominee should » > •• a|>|>«n.t« 1 on the hr. i no | ., r . u.,l k , ,* . ,,f Mr. Stoadiuan but h# sui'. ' ----IU' nt lK“ 1 n,>s*l »• M l . r or Uong Ko’ng had ap- cull ohapluin Tioia liaviiig been D c i / * Oomniis .ion, or by the adoption of tho suggestion which l r»*auopo *» u.v.um, in favour of closing public-houses on Sun I ve thrown out to the metropolitan, we should tie aide to ? day ; hy Mr. Pollard-Urqchnrt, from tne inhabitants of the di vi*e some efficient remedy for tbs evils ly which wo aic ; parish of Street, in the county Westmeath, against the pro- 1 posed committee on convents and nunneries. T IIE DIST RIBU T ION OF PA RLIA M E N T A R Y PAPERS. Sir B. HALL wished to ask the Under Secretary for the Homo Department a question with respect to a circumstance which, though not involving a breach of privilege, was fraught with material inconvenience. He believed that thero were two modes in which tiie house and the public might have printed paj>ers laid before them. The one was when papers wore printed by order of tho house, aud theu the expense of their publication and their distribution fell under the cogniEvnce of the Speaker. The other was when papers were printed by her .Majesty’s command ; they were then printed by the 8utionery-office, and thoir printing was wholly out of the control of the Speaker. If tho papers wero printed by the authority of the house, they were dis­ tributed by its officers; but if not, a number of copies wero sent down to the lihiary from tlio Statlonery-oflloe, and then distributed to members. Other part lea might, how­ ever, obtain such papers before tho member* of that houae. On the 11th of April a report from the General Hoard of Health wax presented, and wna ordered by her Majesty to laid before both houses. Some days ago that report ap pcarod in the columns of a morning newspaper ; but ho­ nourable members did not receivo their copies until ionic tune afterwards. He wished to know how many copies of the report of the Board of Health were printed ; whether the printer delivered out any copies previous to these sent for the use of members of that house ; if so, how many ; and hy w hose authority did that delivery take place ? Mr. FIT ZRO Y said that early in the year the general autho­ rity for printing the usual number of copies *f the report of tho General Board of Health for official uud parliamentary dis­ tribution was sent from the Homo-office to the Statiouery- ofTi^e ; and on the 10th April two printed copies wore sent to the Home-offioc. One of these was laid on the table of that house, and the other upon the table of the House of Lords. But, between the time of issuing the order for printing the reports and the time of their distribution, the Board of Health applied to tho Home-office for 4,000 copies of the report. The consent of the Home Secretary having be^n given, 4,000 copies were sent to the Board of Health, which they distributed themselves. He imagined thnt one of them had reached the paper in whose columns the honourable baronet had read it. He {Mr. Fitxroy) was not responsible for any irregularity that might have taken place in publish­ ing docameuta intended for the use of members of both houses before they had fceeu delivered to them. He cou'd only be responsible for the manner iu which the order for publication was giren, and that was in tho usual form on this occasion. He was not able to answer any questions with re­ ference to the manner in which the Board of Health had distributed the copies sent to them. Sir B. IIA L L wished to know whether the printing of these 4,000 copies formed part of the expenditure of the Board of Health ? Mr. FITZROY said that he apprehended that it would bo included in the general charge for printing parliamentary papers. He believed that the expense of the printing in connection with the Board of Health amounted to £20,000 per annum. THE BTONOB CASE. Mr. SOTHERON then moved that Mr. Moore and one other member of the house, to bo named by the general committee of elections, be appointed on the select com­ mittee in the case of Henry Stonor to examine witnesses, hut without the power of voting. When the comiuitteo ap­ pointed to investigate this matter met, they found them­ selves involved in great difficulty with respect to the manner in which they should prosecute the inquiry, because none of the be- ex- j^e lie rati opinion vuuw ¦ should b6 a, part of the Duke of Newcastle, ha (?he Chanc* • • • *r of the Exchequer) wuitld not offer any opposition t« > t »nstep; although it would certainly be nioro n rv w b i t<i Ina grace if a different course were pursued. The motion was then agreed to. On the motion of Mr. H U M H # 11.o fodowliig rrturn was ordered :—Return showing tho total number ot offi­ cers and subordinate persona of tl » cemtni «ariut es­ tablishment employed at each aenarato poal at several fctations enumerated in th a return laid fore tho select committee on aimy and ©rdnanoe pendfture, for each of the yea ra 1601. I • 1 !*• 1 1 (,,n* tinuation of return No. 15*2. page l.OVM - f tenort piinted the 1st day of Auguat, i . atkl * MiO, in addi­ tion, for the same years, the nuaib#r of atftOM ‘aittis by the commissariat, the amount of for •, an ! the t n*l c .% t ol the commi*K*ri*t establishment at each p *at f »r r*- l> d the same years, in parallel columns. Mr. IiU M E moved for an address tor i»i rati acts of tho correspondence between the Hpanfcati Government and her Majesty’s Government respecting the »u»!u*®n of the slave-trade to, and respecting auy u*«w i ll ............ tin slave- trade within, the island of Cuha, since tho ra|-ort of theselect committee of 1853. h Lord J . RUSSELL observed that on n q a M a c illli Fo- igu-ofljce he found that the papers now a»k*d f.». would be Tinted with the usual slave-trade paper* of the year. ^ ^ m m . .aal.l H A . la.o. ti. kt lea* i was satisfied with »*rv laid before the Lord • < (l.in rn. r-Qtneral of liong Konp, the *i.. .m l . 1.0 irotu the Rev. Mr. Oleic, the IV. IhfiJ, that it was upon hi« Mr. Si. adman liad beeu a|i|>ointeil ' » • " iu the highest testimony to hi. reign print U U I V • V I a S M V H r w - v - w - - — - - - f r would be very inconvenient to give them now, and w nald oc­ casion unnecessary expense. 3 1 r. I1UMK thereupon withdraw the mothm. KAMI LI OK HOI.DIKKH AND HAILOHH. Colon. ! II AltCOU Kr aalie l the Pfpai **at ih# Poor law 1 ton id wheth i ihpve U •• thiae in the U w m U sow atanls, or in the orders * * f the !*««•» laap (Jstaia^ iaswt, in prevent the gnanliUli ol the | S )fM from |lvls|, It h* f think fit, out­ door relief to the deatitwt* wife »»"l t ^1 ’ I if aJjf soldier, nailer, or marine In her Majesty'aaerviee * Mi. It U N K S hogged to say that tbevt Ma h.ng in the law or in tho order* of the ooinun« ion* i *, % a • ey now stood, to prevent any beard of guardian* fri»a» gW>*c out-door re­ lief to the destitute w fe oi ehlldrm of a v •••hl»et or sailor on service. He would add that. In the • • a »a of the Poor- law Commissioners, the aame pr ne |de w - < a able to the destitute wife or children of ndlttie »u« n. Colonel H ARCOURT aakod whether. • S I M ) per com­ pany being the number who »*lh fa*«o • are hy the regulation of tho ar:uv pnnnn* t it* k • *«h their hus­ bands on foreign servio*, the ti •teu»o» «»t •.!» ol.jt ct to grant to those of that numb er eh ? bat* i « #e ptevented from going out on tho present o t»f ii*# e»»^enei#a of the scrvice, the same allowance o’ > % ’f »ai* ua i .r tne women, and quarter rations for the children ei. h they a mid have had if they bad cone out f Mr. S. H ERB ERT had to .!• ai » » rw eaa no Instance in which any application hs * b-«»a r»»sl. • i . iMiitlnue the issue of half rations to w io - > t » - i t» < •• •» « had l»een pre­ vented under these circu»n*ta» • ' • * f io i'»ni| «»tl f»*feign ser­ vice. Ho was of opinion Ik ll tNe Nvet "»e would be to leave it to tho discretion of ?he ^n.tiiattd nf tT t era to say whether it would W « * fji t .-i»4i f t eomen in ques­ tion that they ahouUl re**e *e b%lf • .t» 'ii*, • <i»pc*atng the ap­ plication to made, Mr. FLOY Kit inqnff+d *»i .*» ’healaisi to out-door re­ lief would be beM giwel in the e^ee wtaea without Children, as well as of thoan who had eh l ’i» o • Mr. BAIN EH taid thr ie \ « * aiqdted In fertb O ia e a . THE S U B S C R IP riori KOH i IIH k.\01IKqUER- ItONDH. I Mr. T. BARI Mked the CNaneelliw el til# Kseheqoer whether he would state 11 » * ' am tint • '••es«U.| for the Exche­ at psr on the 8th in*tant, distin- i In money an ! and wielbar tho depos.t of 10 per < x ’lit. » t p«i ire two ... W on the 8th in­ stant on the whole amount ao i v W If not, what w aw tho extent of thodcflcienev * \ whether any sub- d for the Itond B, endine 8th j posed that at the pointed him to I nnlitaiy ohai* his condaot. Chancellor fro B shop of \ ieti latter dated N < v * reeommeiplatk mdi?.try c iapla g‘»od charaele? and ewduot. The Lord Ohm* . Ilor received other t^>tuni.ni- * ihe % onduct of this gentleinau, and, ccnsidoriog the*> • r»i. ie.it, appointed Mr. Steadman to the rectorv • 1 , Aol.t Ii si geared from all thi> that the Lord Cuai'ceilor i • I t«k t . « «t pains to inquire as to tbe cha­ racter ami e«n i i • f Ml. htiadmau, the only appointment with which hr es* » • I. With respect to the nomina­ tion at Mr. It**’ •• io 'hf n'oiilal ch^p'amcy, lie believed his hoc. frieud t t • ’^r H.'i r inn for tho Colonies knew the circunietanr• * , i • niioent, Mr. PEl'.L * ' I « i s^i • d i tne papers relating to tho appointment, a • f m«l il at all tho information he could gi\ e to thu honae *ae#»’i:a n«ti m e coti“spondence which pa^ed b < t«aew the I*akr <d N < ^o*stle and the Bishop of Wincht«ter oun.nng if Utteia, which, as they were sv Jo:t, ho « i i » «.$ Ui Hindm an was colonial chaplain ar , Hong K Si-.i, • * , *> ii h live of alienee in this coun­ try, he app « t to . iai iffive, stating that his consti- tution had h r u . ...»*( «d I ) a midence iu the tropics, and requesting t< k> •» w ) < \ r, if he succeeded in filling up his place with attolh** el«ff)inaii, he would be allowed to resign tl..* ef. The reply was, tiiat any arrange­ ment bn ii a. II .nd A, IM S We , ki 11,1 lo o'eio< k on the 9th gmilting the amount of enbeerlpUM n ? that payable in Esebe<jner Mile tl scriptions have been aooepUu) 1 r ' " ‘ ,l* C» ' " I"'* on 8th 18G0 , and, if ao, to w.iat extent for .•»> h <!« .,*ription » He would explain in a fv* word, tho object of hi, ..uestioDi The house wu*aware that tho Oovcrnm-nt, in Invitinsr Bnh- Hcr.ptions for the late propoaed (hnhb of Kx, he.pi.r-bonds, oiUred to subscribers tlie option between two inode* of pay­ m ent-on. in Exchequer-billti, the othor iu money. It wv,. i | W i*| m > s• wo dd | > c considered, providing that Sio dieadvants t« wrteso %'oel by t ho colony of Hong Sovg, The Duk • t N #mi# . i t« - to the l>ishopot Winchester, re- questing t U ® * M eSf aion of Mr. Baxter's fitness for filling a colonial i Sndaiae?, ae follows : ¦ Colonial-ofSee, Dec. 19, 1S53. MvL -11 **e tl • » • mourto transmit to your lordship copies ot i •* atM a • • iafr« * » if»d to me by the Rev. S. W. Stcid^nan, i«d . » itin at Hong Kong, relative to an exchange id sjaistJMit • •• • . ehich he is desirous to effect, aud in which hr * . % o * a * the Kev. Mr. Baxter, the in* cumbcnt « I Irjfft^M, In lia r |.»i r m willing, ami has per* mission, to e teheed* i • c holds. Ik fore giving my filial *ano > n ««• |i . nt? t, 1 should be obliged by sour! t: \ * • '« a - . • # . # *.. *ii»t>nr you oonsider Mr. Baxter to be well qu«lih«d « . t » ih- c «n»t*l chaplaincy, or whether there eai*t« a*»| , «.l a .u« Ii I am not aware, to the proposal o». r i i. *. iaao.iv- I have the honour, &c., NEWCAm.a/ I »*l ihro i fWii. I er'< lettor in answer was as folio*/ ¦ r*H»tiMu t ft it. Jar It), 1854.— My Lord Duke — I have the h t, »*« lo •*••«»«. I 1 the rr eeipt of your gract?’sa letter of in i ».»*•*¦ ».ih a .* ..- ! m rrs, aelative to tho pro­ posed eseoft^ige Ih i« h s ti»« i .mi.Uui of Hong Kong and the r *tor * i PufhM II . 'I r Rev. Mr. Baxter, the rector of F)h-k, • ) , y rr |«.-uhlo, and, as far as 1 am aware, w » I |iii.M si i» j> »No»u iue duties of a colonial chaplain tl ieieailt, I i s i»*»t • | .« » id<M l with Mr. Stead­ man, hyt, •• lai •• «*^aid. I .ftrr. 1 am not aware of anyo^j eu .n * imi •a«l.*o^« I ha*o tho honour to be, &c., C. W iai a I * a * « .i irao< ? f fecaovlng this letter, the Duko » •* N* «. %*l- I i * iiiaelf fully warranted iu ap­ pointing Mr, It• • ie« i « « • a «| . % i A | long Kong. T IIU tiU i KK IN 0U R K IO T IO N . Mr. ItII1 ^s M I • % «* a*ieni n«e we* ka ago the noble lord pro«nti*d •*» l*v •• tl . a. * .. ,.% | M respecting the insurrc dt - ii si iks U h m fits uer* »d T ukey. He wished to ask If thav *seM s* * i h- •> ! on the tshlt*. Lord J , HI P H t •• » iha . s.to-e the nr« n:iae ulluded to by the hoii oisbt* .•**..< *•• . ,ad#t a eonaiderable num- b a - r of d«*ai*en * • • • *4 ’ •••ii f . i%eil, whioh would be pro- dueed, *i -* * a on tue Greek Insorrection would tie i i mi. • Ti p*v* ta would ptobably be laid on the table a * • d*ja V* l\ T H E K oYA L NAVY. Mr, OTW \ Y f* or* I » * ¦tatril in the official or^nn of tho % » 9 < m * • « tl1 d ari-.nfnurhts had been made I .i • fti• • t!. • » might a*erve on boaial ahips of t.aary W th In the IVark Hoa and the Baltic, with that, should those shfpa be engaged with It¦ *»*la, oranyothi'r power friendly to Prussia, mlgtit lie allowed to lesve tiie Bnt sh a laugh]. He wished to know if this Pnust 111 (# n under wl•U b her M ijf•M i the p i \ Istntft the v * - mt 1 * ol the Pr 1 1 •it an c ships In • ii'odi were cor 'i»et, nr j . vj ua u a •> » (*v. ------------- n----- , . would allow him a day to make inquiry. He was certainly I would be thrown upon the individual parishes compcsiug a | The rights of convocation and congregation conjointly ro- m -i----rt i_ - jAi.-a # quired that they should concur in making statutes. If the amendment were adopted, it would give a power subject to the right of congrogation iu voting^ statutes, whereas con­ gregation had not the exclusive right. Mr. H EY WOOD wished to have convocation limited to its political powers, namely, the right of send ug members to this house, and electing a Chancellor aud High S eward as representatives iu tlie House of Lords. . He thought it would bo very much for tho benefit of tho university ihr.t convo­ cation should he deprived of the right of making s^otuto^ Mr. R. J . PH IL L I M ORE did uot concur in the scorn with which tho honourable member for South Lancashire treated convocation. Though he was not inclined to favour their prejudices, it was impossible auy one acquainted with the literature of the country could speak disrespectfully of coun­ try clergymen, and he believed they bad more knowledge of tne world than resident tutors who bad just taken their de­ gree. It would he difficult to select a class moie incorrigibly ignorant of tho affairs of the world, than the young men who had taken their degree an l resided ten years in Oxford, and it was a groat advantage to mingle with them those who had haw more opportunities of knowing human nature. Sir W. HEATHCOTE believed that, practically, the statutes would bo made, as tho honourable member for South Lancashire desired, without thejinterferencc of convo­ cation. In nine cases out of ten congregation would settle the matter, out it might be desirable that in tne tenth case con­ vocation should come up and apply a corrective to the views of the residents. He thought convocation avid congregation would work well together under the provisions of tho bill, and ho hoped tho committee would not listen to tlie honour­ able member's plan of destroying convocation altogether. S:r J . PAKIN GTON understood the honourable member for the University of Oxford to say that, generally speaking, they could trust to congregation, but a great occasion mi^ht | ceme which would interest all tho wjrld, and thea they would want the addition of convocation. Sir W . UEATHCOTJB explained that what he meant was, that in nine times oet of ten convocatiou would be satisfied with what congregation did, but if on the tenth occasion convocation were not satisfied, there would be the oppor­ tunity of checking coogregatiou, and on that ground convo­ cation ought not to be destroyed. Sir J . PAKIN GTON understood that on the tenth occa­ sion it might be desirable for convocation to exercise their power. Sir W. HEATHCOTE : They might if they liked. Sir J . PAKINGTON : Precisely so; and his position was, that they could not, whether they liked it or not, if congre­ gation exercised the veto whioh this bill gave them. Sir W. IlEATHCOTE reminded the right honourable ba­ ronet that tbc hebdomadal board as it now existed would cease, and the hebdomadal council would be electtd by cou- gregation, and therefore not likely to come into collision with it. When tho hebdomadal council proposed a measure, the question would be, whether convocation should allow it to pas*i almost formally in congregation, or should come up and overrule what h id been done. The hebdomadal council emanating from the congregation would ba identified iu feeling with them, and tao difficulty arising under the pre­ sent system would rarely happen under the new one. Mr. BLACKETT thought the honourable member for South Lancashire bad discovered a blot in tiie bill, namely, the extreme inconvenience which sometimes arose from tho exercise of tl;e;r powers by convocation, not on the tenth or extraordinary occasion, which interested tho whole world, but ou points which more concerned the resident body, and the body ol tutors more than any one. For instance, the statute introducing the study of modern science and modem literature was carried by three to ene iu the tutors' av.-.ccia- tiou, and once, if not twice, thrown out by convocation. . Ho confirmed tho statement of the honourable member that congregation was not a now body, though its powers had been assumed by convocation aud legalised by practice. Mr. R. J . PIU LLI M O RE thought it singular that the tan hon. members for Newcastle aud South Lancashire should havo to g a > to tho dark ages to justify the constitution of congre­ gation. As to the tutors being more competent judges than convocation there wora abundant proofs of their possessing only that half knowledge which was more perilous than ig* noraneo itself, when applied to the affairs of the world, During the time the Tractarian strife was at its height, thosi who rescued the tutors from the act of folly they were c < m mitting were those despised country clergymen. Sir J . PA KINGTON believed that those honourable mem hers were right ill saying that congregation vrns a very oU body, and formerly possessed much larger powers than at tbi present time ; but the error they committed was thia- that they forgot, what he several times stated iu the house without being contradicted, that tho coitfrifsllal never was co-existent with the hebdomadal bosrd When the hebdomadal board was called into oxUUnc congregation sank into comparative insignificance. Thai never was in tho university what it was now pro|»Aeed t create, namely, three co-ordinate branches of tho legislator# and this bill did not propose to restore congregation. K« instance, in those days congregation had the initiative pows with regard to legislation, it was recommended by the eon missioners that the initiative powers should be roatored t congregation, conjointly with the hobdomadal council, bi this bill did not give that power; neither did it destroy tl hebdomadal board. On the contrary, it remodelled and r constituted it under tbc name of the hebdomadal counci Therefore they were not restoring congregation ; they we retaining tho hebdomadal'’ board, which was called in existence in opposition to oongre^tion. The CH A N CELLO R of tho E X C H E Q U E R observed th the right honourable baronet assumed that no one was pi pared to contradict him, because he had mode statemer without contradiction. Ho begged to enter liis prot: aiuat boii.n held to agree in tho views of the right honoi highways district. He only regretted that the machinery of the honourable member’s bill was not of such a nature as to be likely to carry out his objeot. Mr. HEN LEY said he concurred in what bad beeu said generally in referenoe to this bill. They would be all glad to get a good highways bill, but unfortunately they could not agree as to what constituted a good highways bill [a laugh]. Unless a bill on this subject could bo introduced which had the general assent of those practically conversant with the management of highways throughout the country, be did not think it would work well. Ho believed the bill before the bouse would be generally unpalatable, and be hope! bis honourable friend would not put the house to the trouble of dividing ui>on it. Sir JO ilN TYRELL said, a few years ago/ acting on the suggestion of Sir James Macauam, he was instrumental in introducing a bill for the management of the highways in tiiat part of the county of Essex with which he waa connected, w Inch had the honour of meeting tho approval of the Speaker ; and he thought that any general measure on this subject, w hich contained the elements of that bill, would have some claim upon the attention of the house. After a few words in reply from M r.F R E W E N , The motion for the si cond reading of the bill was with­ drawn. GAM ING-HOUSES BILL. Ou the motion of the ATTORNEY-GENERAL, this bid was read a second time, and ordered to be committed on Thursday next. W ITNESSES BILL. Tho house then went into commutes on this bill, and the various clauses wera agreei to without amendment. O X FO R D U N IV E R SIT Y BILL. The house then went into committee oa the Oxford Uni­ versity Bdl. Ouclaupo 11 being read, Mr. W ISE proposed to leave out the words,f f < Michaelmas Term, 1854," aud to inscit instead thereof the words, H H i­ lary Term, 1855." The necessity for this amendment was owin^ to the impossibility of making up the register of doc­ tors previous to that timo, and the effect of the alteration would be that tho register would be made up in the Michael­ mas term. Mr. LOW E considered that arapla time was afforded by the time specified in the bill, and unless some very strong reasons could be shown ia favour of the alteration, bq should feel compelUd to oppose the alteration. • Mr. BLACKETT supported the amendment, as be thought j that great practical inconveniouco would result if greater time was not allowed for fixing the date of the first election for the hebdomadal countiI. Mr. M OW BRAY trusted that the Government would ac­ cede to the amendment. The CHAN CELLO R of the E X C H E Q U E R stated that the rea>on why ho had selected the first day of term was because lie thought it would be better thnt the new body to be appointed should commence its functions at the beginning rathei thaa in the middle or latter cud of a terra. He had communicated with the Vice-Chancellor of Oxford on tho subject, requesting to know what day would best ae3ord with the views of the members of the council ; tho reply which lie had received was one acknowledging the courtesy of the Go­ vernment in making the inquiry, but declining to express any opinion on the subject [a laugh]. Ho was willing, con­ sidering that the period fixed in the bill might probably be attended with some inconvenience, to extend the time to the fourteenth day of term, which would make it the 15th of October. Mr. W ISE couteuded that the timo proposed was not sufficient. ’ Mr. LOFTUS W IG R A M thought that some difficulty might arise from the election being made upon one day by all thrco sections ; some of thd members of the council might be elected by more than one section. He proposed to pro­ vide against the difficulty by adding the words “ on or before/' there would then be no necessity for all the elections taking place upon the same day. The CHAN CELLOR of the E X C H E Q U E R had no ob­ jection to offer to the proposal, but could not consent to ex­ tend the period for the election beyond the 15th of October, as he thought it most important that a term should not be lost, as it would practically be, if the old hebdomadal board remained in office without tho power to carry out the new regulations. After some further discussion, in which Mr. H E N LEY and Mr. W ISE took part, the amendment of the honour­ able member was withdrawn, and the clause as amended by the extension of time proposed by the Chancellor of the Exchequer, and by the words of Mr. Wigram, was agreed to. Clause 12 was also agreed to without amendment. Clauses 13, 14, and 15 were, with a few verbal amend­ ments, agreed to. On clause 18, directing the Vice-Chancellor, before the 10th of September next, to make and promulgate a register of the persons qualified to be membcra of congregation, V A - ’ I U L ..... ~ “
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