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THE MORNIMG CHRONICLE. FRIDAY, MAY 12, 1854.
I M P E R I A L P A R IilA .M E N T .
HOUSE OP LORDS—Thursday.
The Lord Chancellor took his seat on the woolsack about
five o’clock. ^
RE FO R M A T O R Y SCHOOLS.
Earl P IT Z W IL L IA M presented a petition from tho West
Riding of Yorkshire, praying that reformatory schools may
be established for the reformation of juvenile offenders.
Lord BRO U G H AM entirely agreed in the opinion that
they should make every effort for the purpose of improving
the system of secondary puuishmeut, and, above all. of im
proving it by means of these reformatory schools. lle men
tioned lately that he had deemed it his duty, during a
late visit to a neighbouring nation, to examine that most im
portant establishment, the refoimatory establishment at
Mettray. He had heard it stated in Franco that the esta
blishment at Mettray was the original of this excellent plan,
but that waa not so, because nineteen years before the esta
blishment of the institution at Mettray, which was established
in the year 1839, namely, in the year 1820, au establishment
waa formed at Stretton-on-Dunmore, in tho county of War
wick. Ho would not say that it had succeeded so well as the
Mettray system had succeeded, because Mettray was esta
blished afier the experience of the English establishment, and
its originators had benefited by that experience, as
well as by the results of a similar experiment which
had been mado with more or less success in the neighbour
hood of Hamburg ; but it was impossible to deny that the
amount of the relapses was less considerable there than they
had been on an average of years at Stretton-on-Duumore.
lie never saw anything iu auch a state of order as the esta
blishment at Mettray was the other day, when he had an op
portunity of seeing it, aud when ho examined that school.
The whole proceedings of every individual from the moment
lie enters until he leaves the establishment are registered.
An accurate account is kept of his conduct and of his misde
meanors, more or less slight, and most of them are very slight;
of the rewards he has received, and the punishment, extremely
¦Light and well-contrived, to which he is subjected ; and on his
leaving the establishment a watch is continued to bs kept on
the place where he is hired (it is chiefly an agricultural e*-
tablishment), with the farmers and gardeners in the neigh
bourhood ; ho that the return* year after year tell precisely
the whole effect of the •yatem of discipline, aud uot only of
discipline, but of kindly and patriarchal management [hear,
hear]. Th« P*fin wa8 to divide the whole of the inmates into
famines, each having a chief who was the lead tug person of
it, and the persons composing the staff of officers
had been taught the system by years of expe
rience on the spot [hear, hear]. He regretted to hear
that the Stretton-on-Dunmore establishment had, within
the last six weeks, come to an end from the want of funds.
It had been supported during the whole period of its suc
cessful existence of 40 years entirely by voluntary contribu
tions, no aid whatever having been given by Government, or
by any public body, and it had now failed—he was sorry and
ashamed to say—entirely from the want of funds (hear,
hear]. Funds for the Mettray establishment, aad similar
ones in France, no doubt were furnished by private indivi
duals ; hut very large contributions were made to them —
without which they must have failed, as well as others—by the
enlightened wisdom of the French Government [ hear, hear].
Earl F IT Z W IL L IA M took it for granted that if reforma
tory schools should be established, the expenses would be
paid out of the public funds ; and then came the veryiin-
portant question, whether they should be maintained out of
the national funds or out of the funds of the county in
which they should be established. He apprehended that
they would not be complying with the wishes of the peti
tioners unless some public fund was appropriated for the
maintenance of such establishments | hear, hear].
THE B R IT ISH ARM Y IN T U RK EY .
The Earl of ELLEN BO RO U G H had several day* ago
given notice to hit noble friend opposite, the noble duke at
the head of tho war department, that he should take an op
portunity of putting to him three questions of considerable
Importance with regard to the army now employed in
Turkey. Tho first question related to the expense of trans
port of the troops to Turkey. A sum of £3,096,000 had
been voted by the House of Commons for that purpose, and
that appeared to him to be a startling and great amount.
Commencing as they were a very expensive, a very diffi
cult, and he feared a very long war, it appeared to him that
it was thoir bounden duty to look most closely into all the
details of the expenditure from the very commencement. If
they merely paid a bill so Urge as that bill was with
out looking into tho details of it, they would very
soon conic into difficulties, and there would be a
general reluctance on the part of the people to prosecute
a war that was so expensively and perhaps so recklessly con
ducted [hear, hear]. He saw under the head of trausport
service a sum of £3,096,000 ; and, so far as he could leam
from what had been stated elsewhere, 25,000 men had been
sent out, and in all 27,000 men were to be sent out, and about
5,000 horses, He found that the expense for which a gen
tleman or ln4y could proceed to India, arouud the Cape,
with every possible comfort, was about £100. So that if
every individual soldier had been sent to Turkey at the rate
of expenditure at wsiich a gentleman or lady could conve
niently proceed to India, the expense would be £2,700,000
If they were to be paid in English coiu, he suggested the
employment of small coins, for the purpose of enabliug the
soldier to go into the market with a currency more
nearly resembling that of the country. He thought
that silver coins of the value * of 2d. each should
be distributed amongst the troops to a large extent, for j transport of the troops from this country to Turkey, and my
such information an I oan, and shall take the
questions in the order in which he put them [hear, hear].
The first question he put was, whother I am prepared to lay
upon the table of the house the details of the estimates which
have been lately voted by tho House of Commons for the
it would aa nearly as possible correspond with the ourrency
value of the piastre, and become au English piastre, and !
pass current in tho market [hear, hear]. Generally, if not
universally, in every regiment in India the means were af- j
forded of exchanging the rupee, which was found in practice ]
to be a very great convenience, and the Government would
uoblo friead said with great justice that the sum was a for
midably large one, and that it required explanation [hear,
hear]. Now, as a matter of account, the members of the
Government will undoubtedly be bonnd to give a full and
eutire account of the manner in which any money is dis
bursed which is voted by the House of Commons for the
do well to consider whether they could not iu some manner 1 furtherance ef this war ; and as to that matter of account, I
give to the English auldier iu Turkey the same practical ad
vantage as the soldiers in India derived from that arrange
ment [hear]. The whole staff they could employ at present
was the regimental paymaster, but he saw no reasou what
ever why an arrangement should not bo made, through the
commissaries in the first instance, and further through the
minister at Constantinople, which would place the pay
master in a position that would enable him to make the rate
of exchange more favourable than the soldier could other
wise obtain. He thought they should afford to the soldier
the means of exchanging the small silver coin in which alone
he ought to be paid for the current coin of the couutry, and
that an arrangement should bo made similar to that which
was the uniform practice in India [hearj. He waa aware
that what he was suggesting was contrary to what were called
the principles of political economy, and that it would be
said that they were interfering with individual enterprise
and fair competition in the m arket; but in that case attempts
might be made to take advantage of the British soldier, at
whioh the British soldier would be exceedingly angrjr, and
the result of that exceeding anger might be that blows would
be introduced as part of the ourrency in the market, and to
a very considerable extent influence its operations [hear,
hear]. The currency might be assisted by stilettoes ; and
seeing that extreme inconvenience might arise from not
assisting the soldier, he recommended the noble duke that
he should take that matter into his serious consideration
[hear, hear, hear]. He also begged to ask the noble
duke what means of movement were provided for the
army in Turkey ? He saw from the public papers that it was
a common error to suppose that the moment those troops
were landed with their cavalry at»d artillery the officer in
command could move whenever he pleased, or wherever the
exigencies of the service might require. There could not
be a more grievous error [hear, hear]. He did aot state that
it was an error merely on his owu authority, but he should
take the liberty of reading to their lordships an extract from
a letter he had received now, he was sor**y to say, nearly
twenty-five years ago, from the Duke of Wellington,
referring particularly to the condition of the Russian
army in Turkey, for a campaign was then iu pro
gress. He had writteu a letter to the noble duke
requesting he would state to him his views as to the best
mode of conducting any future war in India which they
might bo forced to have recourse to, and he begged to refer
to his reply in support of the statement he had made.
It was of course impossible for him to judge what might be
the amount of their forces in Turkey whioh might be em
ployed in operations inland. He conld not say what part of
them would remaiu in garrison at Gallipoli or at Con
stantinople, or what portion of them would be em
ployed iu operations on the shores of the Black
Sea. That, of course, rested with the Government;
but he would say, that even when their troops were in
garrison, as they were considered to be, r*t Gallipoli, some
animals were required for the purpose of alleviating the la
bour of the troops, and enabling them to bring stores, am
munition, provisions, everything they might require for
their service from the shore, a distance of nearly seven miles
[hear, hear]. More than that, if their troops were to be
moved by sea to any place on the shores of the Black 8ea,
even there animals would bo required. Though the force
put ou shore should land for the purpose of besieging for'
tresses, it must bring up all its provisions and ammunition
from the beach, and ail the articles which men engaged in
extensive operations would require must bo brought
from the shora [hear, hear, hear]. Iu former times,
he was sorry to say, no provision—no adequate pro
vision— was made for the purpose of enabling their ex
peditions to have the advantage of the use of animals
to make the necessary movements. Seamen and marines,
and especially seamen, were used to a groat extent, and in a
way that might almost break the hearts of those men, to
draw the stores, and heavy cannons and cannon balls tha
can assure the noble earl that no difficulty will be thrown in
the way at the proper time for this information being given
(hear, hear]. But my noble friend seems to forgot when he
asks for an account of those sums, that this money has not
been already expended, that the transports for this sorvice
have not already been paid for, that the whole proceeding is
now in course of progress, and that tho greatest possible
practical inconvenience might arise from giving details
which would enable those with whom the Govern
ment are iu negotiation to deal uiore advantageously
for themselves but less advantageously to the public
thin they can do at the present moment [hear, hear]. A
great part of the sum is a matter of estimate, and with re
gard to those parts that could be considered more in the light
of accounts, so great was the haste with wnich the Govern
ment had to take up a number of those ships, it waa impos
sible in some instances to come to an actual arrangement
with the parties as to the sum that should be paid to them,
and they, to meet the wishes of the Government that no time
should be lost, consented, if any difficulty should arise,
that the matter is to be settled by arbitration [hear,
hear, hear]. That is one case; as to the other
case, three-fourths of the amount have been paid
and one-fourth of tho amount has been held hack on account
of some dispute that has arisen and which is not yet decided
[hear, hear]. Therefore it is impossible to give my noble
frioud such details as he requires, or attempt to give him any
greater details than have already satisfied the House of Com
mons [hear, hear]. I think my noble friend will see that,
being as we are at this moment in the market to deal with
the persons possessing these vessels for the trausport of
troops, we should be neglecting the interest of the public
service if we gave the details for which my noble friend calls
[hear, hear]. I readily admit the amount is a formidable
am ount; but, if he contrasts the expense with a former pe
riod, he should state it as the expense fer conveying, not
27,000 troops, but 30,000 troops, as the truth is [hear hear].
My uoble friend contrasts the cost of conveying 27,000 troops
to Turkey with the cost of conveying 27,000 ladies aud
geutlemen to India ; but he must bear in miud that these
ladies and gentlemen do not carry with them a large tonnage
of ammunition and other articles which are required in the
transj>ort of troops. Again, the vessels which eonvey ordi
nary passengers to India return to this country laden with
auother freight, but these transports, in the great majority of
instances, have uot been taken up by the voyago (in which
case the expense to the Government would have beeu ma
terially reduced), but they wore taken up fora period of
twelve mouths ; a»d the estimates had to be ba««d on the
supposition that the vessels would be required for the whole
of that time. Thus my noble friend will see that the com
parison he has made falls at once to the ground, under the
circumstances to which I have | referred. My noble
friend said that he was led to form a bad opinion of the
mode iu which these affairs have been conducted, and of tho
lavish expenditure incurred upon them, by facts that he had
personally witnessed, with reference to the detention of two
vessels—the Lord Palmerston and another—which he had
seen at Woolwich; and he said that he was afraid tho cavalry
transports stood in the samo category, having boon taken up
for many weeks, and yet only putting to sea at this moment.
Now this is certainly the fact, but the Government will not
have to pay for the delay, because tho detention of these
transports was not owing to the fault of the Government or the
cavalry officers and troops, but rested with the contractors
who provided the vessels. Although, undoubtedly, the ships
had been taken up many weeks ago, the contracts had not
been fulfilled ; and this arises, I admit, from many circum
stances which involve no blame on the part of the contrac.
tors—such os the strike among the oarpeuters by whom the
ships have to be fitted out, and the desertion of the sailorH, who
are attracted by the highor wages given for tho voyages to
Australia aud elsewhere. All these circumstances mitigated
Kuy rulpftbilit
obtained in other countries, there will be sufficient in point
of quantity, and there certainly will not be the difficulty ori
ginally apprehended. With tho single exception of a very small
transport corps organised in this country, the whole of the
remainder will bo conducted by Turkish subjects,
assisted by the Turkish Government ; and only this
morning a letter was received from a commissariat
officer, in which appear these words :—“ The Turkish Go
vernment acts with good faith and loyalty towards us in
matters relating to transport aud supplies.” He also
states that every means is takeu to provide the troops
with baggage horses, which are abundant, aud baggage
mules, which are much less abundant aud more expensive,
and also with baggage waggons. Oa the other hand, as I
have already explained to ray noble friend, we are also pro
vided with transports for the conveyance of troops by sea.
We have at our disposal permanently in those seas transports
for an amount of force equal to at least 30,000 men, with
out encroaching on the resources possessed by our ships of
war for carrying out effectually any operations which they
may undertake. I hope, therefore, that my noble
friend will feel satisfied that this important matter has not
been neglected. As regards other points, I am not able to
give him now the estimates for which he asks ; but
I can assure him that wo shall have no hesitation, at the
proper time, to satisfy Parliament aud the country as to the
mode iu which wo havo expended the money that has been
so liberally voted by the House of Commons. Before sitting
down, I will just mention—although m o question has been
asked with respect to it— that I have had an intimation from
noble lords, that in some quarters there is an apprehension
that the state of the health of the troops at Gallipoli is such
as to cause considerable anxiety. I cau give the most posi
tive contradiction to any such statcmeut* that may havo
gone forward. The nomber of troops at Gallipoli is 6,300
men ; and out of this force, by a letter I have re
ceived, dated the 25th of April, I find that there were
only twelve men sick, and by another letter dated
the 30th of April, and received this morning, there
were only twenty men sick. Such a small proportion of
invalids in a force of 5,300 men is hardly to bo found iu the
records of any country, or even in the records of this country
itself [hear, hear]. I have thought it necessary to mako this
statement to your lordships, in order to oorrect misappre
hension.
The Earl of ELLEN B O RO U G H said as the noble duke
had alluded to the health of the troops, he wished to say a
word respecting the comfort of the wounded. He saw that
the Government had devoted attention to providing waggons
for a travelling hospital. He had no doubt that iu passing
over good macadamised roads these waggons would cause the
least possible aggravation of the sufferings of the wounded ;
but us the troops would have to go up rocks and rugged hill
country, it would be impossible that these waggons could
follow them. Unless coolies were employed for the assist
ance of the wounded, they might depend upon it that men
who had been injured would be left to die ou the field of
battle, and many others would have their sufferings in
creased.
The Duke of NEWCASTLE should bo Borry if there wore
any misapprehension on this subject. Great pains had been
takeu in organizing an ambulance establishment, and this
was the first time that auch a provision had been made for
an English army. It was quite possible that in many parU
of Turkey these waggons would not be available ; but at the
same time it had been thought desirable to scud them out,
in order that they might be useful where the roads were fit
for them. This part of tho arrangements would uot inter
fere with auy other suggestion ; and certainly whatever fault
might be found with the other measures, the medical and
hospital departments had been most effectually provided,
and a much larger staff of surgeons had been sent out with
this expedition than had ever been the case before.
BOM BARDM ENT OF ODESSA.
The Earl of M ALM ESBURY wished to asked the noble
duke whether her Majesty's Government had received from
the admiral iu the Black Sea any official account of the
bombaidment of Odessa, and if so, whother they would take
any steps tor announcing the details of the operations to the
public ? He also desired to ask, with regard to the proceed
ings of the war generally, whether tho Govarmneut intended
to inform the public of events as they occurred, because
there must be greater anxiety in the public mind relative to
tho news of this war than there was during former wars. We
had now the electric telegraph—a new invention, which mul
tiplied, and must multiply, falsa news from Turkey. Airain,
T H E M IL IT IA .
The Duke of NEW CASTLE laid on the table a bill to
amend the Militia Act in two respects—first, to enable the
Government to embody the militia in time of war instead of
only iu time of invasion, as provided in the existing ac t; and
secondly, to enable them to extend the period of training
the militia beyond 28 days. The noble duke then gave no
tice that he would to-morrow (this day), at one o'clock, move
the suspension of tho standing orders, to enable the bill to
pass through all its stages and receive the royal assent by
commission the same day. There were one or two regimeuts
of militia whose period of training expired under the exist
ing acton Monday next, and these were regiments which, for
thosakeof convenience, it was desirable to embody first, and if
this bill did not receive the royal assent till Monday it would
be too late. This was the reason why it was necessary for
him to move the suspension of the staudiog orders to
morrow.
E X C H E Q U E R BILLS (£16,024.100) BILL.
This bill was road a second time, and the standing orders
having beeu suspended in its favour, it passed through its re
main! ag stages.
NUISANCES REM O V A L AND DISEASES PR E V E N
TION ACT FU RT H ER AM EN DM ENT B ILL.
The amendments to this bill were roported.
EPISCOPAL AND CAPITU LA R ESTATES M A N A G E
MENT (1854) B ILL.
On the order of the day for the second reading of this bill,
The Bishop of O X FO R D said there was one provision iu
this measure savouring of the prinoiplo of the bill, to which
he had an objection. In the bill which this was intended to
be a continuance of, and to be enacted for three years, it
was provided, that it a reversion of tithes, or lend in lieu of
tithes, were to be sold, as a previous condition of such sale
the ecclesiastical commissioners should be required to take
the present spiritual wants of tho district into consideration.
Now, by the present bill, this condition, which operated in
the nature of a safeguard for the claims of particular locali
ties, iu regard to spiritual instruction, was altogether
omitted ; and on that ground he objected to the measure in
it< present shape.
The Earl of POW IS thought tho time had come when
Parliament should receive some satisfactory account of the
manner in which the church commissioners had administered
their trust. The commissionets, on their appointment,
proceeded to make very large annual augmentations to
the poorer benefices, and with the view of forestalling the
provision for future generations for the benefit of the imme
diate present, they received power to borrow from Queen
Anne’s Bounty the sum of oue million, upon the supposition
that the property which they managed after 30 years would
become so valuable as to euable them to repay the loan. Yet
from that day to this Parliament had neverbeeu furnished wiih
accounts that would euable it to judge whether these calcula
tions were real or fictitious. £10,000 was the utmost limit
stated (at the period wheu this great loau was made)as the pro
bable amount by which their revenue would exceed their
payments, and yet from the time the money was borrowed
their receipts had only been bettered by £500 a-year.
At present the episcopal portion of the account, which was
formerly favourable, *as very unfavourable, nearly £10,000
more having been paid to the smaller sees than had been
received from tho larger ones. In the accounts of tike pre
sent year some attempt had been made to distinguish bo-
tweeu revenue and capital, but at best this attempt was very
imperfect. His complaint was, that between the years 1837
and 1853 there was not a vestige of such information; and that
their lordships were, therefore, in ignorauce whether or not
the commissioners had mado au extravagant amount of an
nual grants, or whether they were still acting within the
prudent margin of £10,000 a year, which was the proposed
basis of their operations. Iu the accounts hundreds of
thousands of pounds received from tho sale of estates were
mixed up with the annual receipts from vested estates, so
that it was impossible to tell which wag capital and which
income. If, therefore, they were going to renew the term of
the church estate committee, to which he had abstractedly
no objection, they ought to have some understanding that
proper and deoent accounts should be submitted to Parlia
ment. If he were tola that it would be very difficult to dis
tinguish between capital and iueome, his answer was that it
was high time that the difficulty should be grappled with,
and that this was a distinction which waB made every day in
the Conrt of Chancery. The accounts were utterly defec
tive ; they did not give the information to which Parliament
were entitled ; they did not enable auy one to tell whether
the Church property had been improved or diminished in
value since the appointment of this committee, or to form
any opiuion as to the prudence or accuracy of the calcula
tions on which its operations had been founded, and he
trusted that the Government would givo Parliament some
security that more specific, accurate, and iutelligiblt accounts
should in future years be submitted to Parliament.
The Earl of C H IC H EST ER, who was almost inaudible
in the gallery, was understood to say that for a considerable
number of years the church estates commission Lad in
curred no expenditure for grants except such as were obli
gatory under acts of Parliament ; but that calculations whioh
had b<»en made justified the hope that in a few years tho
commissioners would be able to resumo tho making of grants.
Ho to a great extent agreed with the noble earl (Earl Powis)
that the kind of account to which he referred would be a
useful document; but he denied that fuller accounts could
he published. The accounts now published were as com
plete as they could be, but they were not on the plan desired
by his noble friend. That plan, if adopted, might not be so
satisfactory to the house as it was to his noble friend, and he
had rather therefore pause before altering the present system.
The bill was then read a second time.
ment which, in the shape of famine, pestile:
had, within the last few years, fallen upcu <
out, as Christian and responsible men, asl
had not given some cause tor these visit*
declared that the first duty of this country
fully neglected. He blamed no particula
this —he blamed the Legislature itself—an
that the greatest of our national sins had b
the spiritual wants of the poorer classes o
He would not believe that the noble lord *
Government would refuse him permission »
tion upon tho table. He knew how fully tl
Majesty's Government must be occupied
war would bring upon the country, and I
asked their lordships to acknowledge the i
evil, trusting that, at a suitable time, th
their aiost earnest attention, and make fe
to amend it.
The Earl of A B ERD EEN : My lords, ]
sorry to appear to say anything at variance
tho resolution whioh the noble earl has mi
that he has said I readily assent. It is diffici
the amount of spiritual destitution which \
parts of the country, particulaily in our
facturing towns. I know the ssaland since
earl in his endeavours to meet this evil, and, i
in many of the sentiments which he has cxpn
assent to the motion which he has made for
this resolution; but I would submit to the
when he moves this resolution, it musthurt
practical view. It cannot be the mere bai
which he has embodied in that resolution th
He must propose it with the view vhat Parlia
iu consequence of the resolution [hear, hi
lords, I cannot undertake to say that I thiol
bable that Parliament would be induced to
ciency of church accommodation of whic
plained by grants made for that purpo*
should be very uuwilling to propose to !
such measure. Aud, indeed, agreeing
I do as to the amount of religious de
the extent of the want of church i
I think we have great reason to congratula
the efforts whioh have of late years been mad
deficiency. In the latter part of tho first half
individuals have done so much to supply ti
show that a great deal more may be done i
than by looking to the assistance of tlie G
will call your lordships’ attention to what has I
the commencement of the present century, ii
the great increase of energy and activity on t
members of the Church of England to supply
remedy the evil complained of by the nob
1801 to 1811 the number of churches built in
Wales was only 55 ; during the next ten yeai
to 97 ; between 1821 and 1831 the number t
between 1831 and 1841 the number increase
in the ten years preceding the last census
churches built in England and Walea amoui
The great increase which has taken place will
years has been effected without Government ai
by the exertions and piety and zeal of the
This great amount does not iuclnde that w
carried to a very great extent—the restoration
and improvement of churches which has take
the same period. This i* only the number of cl
have actually been built. Now, my lords, t.h»
churches having been built by private excitions
individual exertions—contrasts favourably v
d»ne by the Government at the time the Go
affording aid for the bnildiug of churches on tl
of my noble friend ou the cross-bench (the Ea
bury). But the churches built by the commisi
these circumstances, were built, generally speafc
providently [hear, hearj, and at a most irrati
[hear], and the funds so granted were very
appropriated [hear, hear]. During the first
of this century 500 churches were built
of £3,000,000 sterling—£1,152,000 boiug si
the public funds, and tho remainder I
benefactious [hear, hear, hear]. During the
years there were no public grauts for fresh i
anu yet £5,500,000 were spent,’and 2,029 churcl
during that period [hear, hear]. So that dun
since the cessation of public grants, the effi
remedy for the evil complained of by the noble <
immeasurably increased [hear, hear]. I mus
spirit does exist at this moment to supply the re
of the labouring poor to a greater extent than hi
existed in my memory [hear, hear]. The dcsii
those wants is still on tlie increase, ?md I have n
private efforts will provide more effectually for
tion which now exists than fifty Government j,
hear!. I may call your lordships' attention to the
which have been made by individuals in this ca
great and necessary duty— which, with the noble
It to be [hear, hear]. During the time the rig
prelate,*ho i* now absent, has presided over
politan district, more than 200 churches have
in his diocese [hear, hear]. The noble carl sa
not only the building of churches that is require
say, however, that that is the first object, for a
never yet been built without very spedily drawin
walls a congregation, and therefore I consider th
most advantageous way of supplying the defic
plained of is the building of churches [hear, hen
dition to this the noble earl has referred to the
sound scriptural education. Now, what tho noble
by a sound scriptural education, of course, i» an
according to the doctrines of the Church o f- I